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APPEARANCES IN ORDER:

VINCENT J. RUSSO, ESQ. Russo Law Group, P. C.

VICTORIA ROBERTS-DROGIN

Russ O Law Group. P. C.

ERIC PAGE, Holocaust Survivor

HEDY PAGE, Holocaust Survivor

JOANNE PAGE, Daughter of Eric and Hedy Page

TODD BELISLE, President Center for Special Needs Trust Administration

F’R . ANTHONY STANGANEL

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RUSSO: Welcome, everyone to Family

Comes First. I’m Vincent J. Russo.

ROBERTS – DIRIOGIN : And I’m

Victoria Roberts-Drogin. Thank you for

joining us today.

Vincent, over the years at Family

Comes First, we’ve had the privilege of

meeting some really extraordinary

families.

RUSSO: Yes. Absolutely. And

One of these families is the Page Family.

Many of Our viewers would love to

get an update on Hedy and Eric Page who

are always up to something good.

MS ROBERTS-DROGIN: Yes. This

show is going to be so special. We’re

gOing to wel COme them back.

RUSSO: Right.

MS . ROBERTS – DROGIN : And We ” Ire

going to talk about the Pages of life,

which they truly are.

RUSSO: That’s right.
ROBERTS-DROGIN: The Pages of

life right here on Family Comes First.

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ROBERTS-DROGIN: Back in 2009, we

met with Eric and Hedy Page . They are

both Holocaust survivors who came to

America after surviving the unthinkable.

Let’s take a look.

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(Video Playback: Original Air Date:

November 6, 2009)

PAGE: So, when the War Started

in June 1941, we were – – – Our town was

in flames because Germans were shooting

from one end and Russians were shooting

from the other One. From the west, the

GermanS ; tO the eaSt , RuSSianS . SO , We

had to flee, because Our town was

completely in flames.

We were told not to go any further

but stay in the larger City, because in

the Small towns the Jews were picked up

or surrounded there and killed right

there. So, we stayed there, and after

about two or three weeks of German

occupation they divided the City in a

Jewish quarter and they called it. The

Ghetto, and we stayed there close to

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three years.

By the time we left from The

Ghetto, I was eighteen and from The

Ghetto, they transferred us to a

concentration camp called Stutthof. It’s

right on the Polish border, and in that

Camp, the men were separated from the

Women, and that’s the last place I saw my

mother alive.

From there, we were transported to

DaChau .

PAGE: We heard the Chancellor

Speaking On the radio, and he said, Long

live Austria. ‘ ‘ I don’t remember his

exact words. And then there was music,

and my parents were very quiet. I wasn’t

allowed to go near the window, and the

World felt dark. And I remember at that

time, the word Jude, which meant Jew ‘ ‘ in

German, was very terrifying to me,

because it had been used with Such Venom.

And when she said the Israelite

Children, it sort of gave me a knowledge

Of what Words can do; the N’ ‘ word in

America. And I always felt that we don’t

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know people and that we can hurt them, and

that really is what I learned from Eric,

because when people say to him, how could

people do to others what they did to the

Jews or to others, he says, it’s very

easy. All you have to do is consider

them. Subhuman.

RUSSO: Did you know that your

parents were Holocaust Survivors when you

were growing up?

Joanne, you want to first – – –

JOANNE PAGE: Oh, Sure. I think I

knew it from the moment I knew anything.

You know, the Holocaust has been part of

Imy growing up, it was part of my

understanding of the World, I think, from

my earliest years, because it was always

like a dark Cloud off to the Corner, and

it shaped my view of the world. It

shapes my view of who people are and what

people are capable of . It shapes the

WOrk that I do.

PAGE: Drawing was such a

weapon for me, because I had a teacher

who believed everybody could draw. That

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was 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade in Vienna. I just

always tended to want to draw people.

That if I show that people really exist,

that they’re each individuals, they

relate tO real people, then prejudice

WOuld have to di Sappear if people Could

see real people.

PAGE: We had a neighbor next

door to us, and we became very friendly.

We went to their house. He said, Eric,

how do you really feel about being in my

home because you knew my background?’ ‘

And, I did. He was on a U-boat during

the war, and here’s what I told him. I

Said, ‘ ‘ Look, if you would have done

SOmething to me or anybody around there

that II” ve seen? ‘ ‘ I said, ‘ ‘ You wouldn’ t

be alive now.’ ‘ I said, ‘ ‘ But since I

don’t, if I discriminate to people just

because of a nationality or a color, I

would be just as low as they were. ‘ ‘ And

I said, Nobody would get me down to that

level. ’’

(Video Playback ends)

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1 MR. RUSSO: Victoria, this is really

2 going to be special, because I have never

3 met more giving people in my life than

Hedy and Eric Page. They just meet

5 people and share with them the gift of

6 life. Really, the gift of life.

7 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Ye S.

8 MR. RUSSO: And, we are going to

9 update their story, which has been SO

1 O fantastic; when we did this show, Six

11 years ago. I can’t imagine it was that

12 l’Ong agO.

14 Eric, on the show, and their daughter

15 JOaIre –

16 We are so anxious to know what

17 you’ve been up to, because you’re all

18 about doing good. You’re never about

19 yourselves. You’re always about doing

2 O gOOd.

21 SO wel COme.

22 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Wel COme.

23 We’re so excited to have you here.

.., 24 MR. RUSSO: Ye S. YeS.

25 MS. PAGE: I’m embarrassed, because

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if we would think we’re doing good, maybe

we’d be afraid to do it, because we

failed.

MR, RUSSO : NO.

PAGE: But what we’ve been

doing, and this really goes back to many,

many years ago, Over fifty years ago when

we started to work in the prison system,

and then when Joanne was in high School

and we were working at Sing Sing, she

became fascinated by the whole thing, and

now she employs us without pay.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: YOU re a

bargain.

RUSSO: So, you’re doing

Volunteer WOrk.

MS … PAGEE : YeS .

RUSSO: As Counselors?

MS, PAGE : YeS.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: And together,

right? Both of you do it together.

RUSSO: Both of you, both.
ROBERTS-DROGIN: Wonderful.
RUSSO: So, it’s in the City,

you live Out On Long Island. What time

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do you get up in the morning?

PAGE: It’s only one day a

week.

RUSSO: One day.
PAGE: And Joanne drives now

because when Eric had pneumonia and

then rehab and so on, and he’s a young

man Of nimety, SO – – –

RUSSO: Wow, ninety. Just like

my dad. Eric? Just like my dad.

Ninety-years old. God bless you.

MS … PAGE : – – – so, the driving

became impossible.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: So, how did

you Start working in the prison? What

compelled you to want to do that?

PAGE: My mother began – – – we

lived in Oceanside at that time, and my

mother began to work. She lived in Long

Beach, and she began to work in the

hospital as a volunteer. And both her

parents had died in the Holocaust and

when people would ask her why do you work

so hard for something where you don’t get

paid, she said, I couldn’t do it for my

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parents, so I Can do it for somebody el se s.

Because, what really bothered her

SO was that nobody came to visit people.

SO, she would go to nursing homes and

Visit people, and so when our youngest,

Ken, became a kindergartner, I called the

Red Cross, and I said – – – at that time,

I was teaching art at home, privately,

and I said, I’d like to work with

children who have nothing, so that they

have a weapon in the World; because, art

for me, was that.

MS . ROBERTS-DROGIN: YeS

PAGE: And when we were very

poor, when we were refugees, I could

trade drawings for things.

And, so they said, we don’t have

anything with children, but we, for the

first time, there’s an opening in the

Nassau County Jail for women, and if you

WOuld teach them art, it would be a

WOnderful thing, because they only – – –

this was in – – – well, it was fifty

years ago, and this is now 2015, and she

said the Only thing,

the only time they

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1 can leave their cell is with good behavior,

2 they can work in the kitchen.

3 And We Came home, I came home, and

4 we talked it Over , and both Eri C and I

5 felt, why do you need art in prison? You

6 might need a profession to learn,

7 et Cetera, but how Could you say no? And,

8 it was the best teaching that I had ever,

9 ever done. At that time, it was only

1 O minorities. And it was people who were

11 in for minor offenses, but offenses,

12 nonetheless and it was wonderful and then

13 the drug World came in .

14 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Ye S.

15 MS. PAGE: It was, people were not

16 Iminorities who had had art Classes and

17 dance Classes, but they were On drugs or

18 they were selling them. And, I found out

19 I couldn’t teach anymore, because they

2O didn’t know how to take an era Ser and

21 begin again. I found out when I started

22 studying whatever I could about drugs

23 that that’s the main thing that happens.

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25 like you Can Start again.

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PAGE: You have lost SOmehow the

ability to begin again. You’re in this –

JOANNE PAGE: But then what

happened was you heard about a program

teaching decision making.

PAGE: Exactly.

JOANNE PAGE: And the whole family

Welt .

RUSSO: And how long ago was

that?

JOANNE PAGE: That was 1972, I

believe.

RUSSO: Whoa, a long time ago.

JOANNE PAGE: Right, because I was

in my last year of high School and the

whole family would go to Sing Sing . And

my brother.

PAGE: Yes. Ken was in it also.
RUSSO : I ask this question

respectfully, because you were in a

concentration camp. How hard was it for

you to go into a prison as a volunteer?

PAGE: Not horrible at all,

because when I was in a concentration

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camp, or when I was locked up, nobody cared.

So, I figured, at least we do something

for some people who are in prison. And

that was the reason, because nobody cared

abOut me , that dOle Sin’ t mean that T dOn’ t

Care abOut Others.

And that was the main reas On

really.

JOANNE PAGE: What was amazing was

that the man we were working with

recognized that he had a past that

matched their past, and they would turn

to him for feedback on how he built a

family, and how he got through the rage.

And so there’s a role my dad plays

that none of us play, because he’s lived

through the kind of pain and rage that

people in prison are living in, and SO he

has something to share, and he does.

RUSSO: And inspire.

JOANNE PAGE: Ye S.

ROBERTS – DIRIOGINI: And a S. a.

father figure, you had said a man who

they can look up to.

JOANNE PAGE: What we see, and we

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volunteer over at the Fortune Society now,

and we work primarily with young men and

older men, but they haven’t had fathers

in their lives, and they are fathers.

And you know, my dad is a role model in a

lot Of ways, and so is my mom. So, the

two of them together are counseling

people. It’s just quite remarkable.

RUSSO: We’re going to hear a

lot more about the counseling, and I want

to hear more about your work at the

Fortune Society.

We’re going to take a quick break

on Family Comes First, the Pages of life.

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RUSSO: Welcome back to Family

Comes First. Let’s continue Our journey

with Hedy and Eric and Joanne Page. The

Pages of life .

PAGE: I love that title.
ROBERTS-DROGIN: It’s perfect.

Eric , you told us a story from your

Counseling, which was So powerful. Would

you tell that for our audience?

PAGE: Being in a concentration

camp or being where nobody cared about

you, the surrounding area didn’t care

about it, they didn’t want to know about

it, or they didn’t care about it. So

they had no contact with us.

So, we feel that we should give a

little Support to people who have been in

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face life as it is today, because

somebody who has been in prison for

twenty years, he doesn’t know anything

about television, and life in general,

because the speed of life and the speed

of Cars have increased so fast and so

much that he’s really way behind.

JOANNE PAGE: Tell about that

conversation that you had with that young

man about anger .

RUSSO: Right.

JOANNE PAGE: Because I think how

you’ve dealt with anger is really

important .

PAGE: This fellOW Wanted to

talk to me. We had group sessions, and

then he asked for a single session with

me, and Our group was convinced that I

should do it. So I came in there with

him, and we started to talk. He says,

Look, I know you’ve been incarcerated. I

know you’re Jewish. I know what you went

through, but why did you COme back here?

So, this is what I told him. I said,

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when I was incarcerated, nobody Cared, and

that’s the reason why I’m here.

And after albOut tWO OIr three

sessions with him, he says, Gee, I’m

amazed that you could ever raise a family

normally. ‘ ‘ He says, I don’t know how

much I would be able to do something like

this. ‘ ‘ So, I told him, No. You do, and

you can do it.’ ‘

And I think I convinced him.

Because we’ve never seen again.

RUSSO: That’s great.
ROBERTS-DROGIN: So, he felt

like he could go Out and do it.

RUSSO: Right. Right. And

then, Joanne, there was another story

with the man with rage? You want to

share that story that your dad was

involved in?

JOANNE PAGE: We drive out to Long

Island City from Long Island and they’re

careful not to break confidentiality.

But a young man was talking to both of

them, because they both work together,

about having done something he was deeply

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ashamed Of; lashing Out in rage. And Say

what you said, dad?

PAGE: I said, Look. You just

Came Out Of pris On and you got home and

your girlfriend or your wife was there

with another man. ‘ ‘ So he says, I got so

angry, the rage in me was SO bad, So I

went over there and I slapped her. ‘ ‘ And

he said, ‘ ‘ You know, I can’t forgive

myself for it. ‘ ‘ He says, I don’t know,

but I just can’t forgive myself for it.’ ‘

So, I said, ‘ ‘ Look, you’ve been in

prison. You’ve been tortured. You’ve

been mistreated by the guards and you

took it for granted that the mistreatment

is normal life. So, when you get home

you saw there your wife with another man

and so of Course you lashed Out. It’s

normal. But, after Considering it, I

don’t think you’ll ever do it again.’ ‘

RUSSO: Wow. Hedy, I have a

question for you, and I’m going to

challenge you a little bit, which is you

live your life every day with joy. You

have the greatest Smile. You just light

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up a room. You make people feel good.

Why is that important to you?

PAGE: I guess we have to trace

things back. When we were refugees in

Panama, and we were very poor at that

time, and we lived in a real slum, and my

father would wake up in the morning and

he would drink his Coffee and he would

say, Nobody in the world enjoys their

first cup of coffee like I do.’ ‘

And it was sort of his temperament,

and he had ups and downs, but whenever he

was down, there would be that up, and I

guess it sort of just became a part of

Who I am.

And somebody Once said to Eric,

with all your past, you’re the happiest

man I knOW . SO — — —

RUSSO : That ” S be Cau Se he ” S

married to you.

PAGE: Not if you ask him. He

didn’t have his hearing aid for a few

days now, and he was SO happy not to hear

RUSSO: Not at all.

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JOANNE PAGE: I have learned so much

from them. So much.

RUSSO: You and your brother,

right?

JOANNE PAGE: Me and my brother and

my nephew. But there was a point where

dad said something that just blew me

away.

He said, ‘ ‘ When I look at everything

that happened in my life, the

concentration camp and everything, and I

look at where I am now I wouldn’t change

a thing. ‘ ‘ And that just blew me away.

And I think with both of them,

their attitude toward life and toward

giving and how to be in the world has

shaped me, shaped my brother and now is

shaping Our fourteen-year old nephew and

my Godson in ways that, they’re now

spreading more broadly than the family

through the volunteer work.

ROBERTS – DIRIOGIN : It’s a choice.

MR, RUSSO : SUre.

ROBERTS – DIRIOGINI: It’ S ar

amazing choice as to how to live.

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PAGE: You know, when Kenny and

Joanne became people – – –

RUSSO: Adults.
PAGE: No, no, teenagers.
RUSSO: Oh, I thought you were

talking about when they were born. They

became people.

PAGE: But you know, we were so

afraid of the drug world, and now I think

there’s more reason to be afraid, because

it begins so much earlier.

And we thought there would Only be

One way to protect them, and that’s to

have them become valuable to themselves

and we tell children, Make your bed. Do

your homework. ‘ ‘ But, we took them with

us to do volunteer work. And SOme – – –

JOANNE PAGE: And we were very

yOung.

PAGE: Very young.

JOANNE PAGE: Ye S.

PAGE: You were eleven and Kenny

was nine. Something like that.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: Wow, very

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PAGE: And there was a family &

adverti Sed about a child which needed

patterning, which meant at that time when

a child had difficulties in doing things,

they made them do certain movements.

So, we went, and I remember calling

and saying, could you use children as

well? And they said, anybody. Yes.

Please.

So, Joanne would stand at One end –

– – this little boy had to Creep and

crawl over and over, it was so difficult

for him. He hated it, but it’s to make

him to be able to move Correctly and

Stimulate the brain. And Joanne would

Stand at One end and Kenny would stand at

this end.

JOANNE PAGE: We even had our dog

volunteering.

PAGE: Ye S. The Great Dane

would be with One, and the little boy

Craig would creep and Crawl Over to that

one, get to kiss the dog and then the dog

would go to the other One and he would do

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1 And they did magic, but they also

2 learned that they’re important, and I

3 remember they tried to work with seniors,

and both of them Couldn’t do it because

5 there would be a person, and then the

6 next day that person might not be there,

7 might be dead. So they said, no. It’s

8 got to be with children.

9 MR. RUSSO: This is going to kill

1 O me, because we’ve run out of time. This

11 has been absolutely fantastic. We have

12 to do another update.

A 13 MS. ROBERTS-IDROGIN : YeS.

14 MR. RUSSO: You can’t go anywhere.

15 You can’t move or anything like that.

16 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Stay close.

17 MR. RUSSO: We can’t thank you

18 enough for Coming Out today and being

19 with us and just doing the good that you

2O do every day for SO many people.

21 MS. PAGE: If you think of it as

22 good, then it stops being good. If you

23 do it because it’s there, and you want to

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25 MR. RUSSO: It’s who you are.

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ROBERTS-DROGIN: It’s who you are.
RUSSO: How about that?

MS … PAGE : YeS .

RUSSO: All right. We’ll be

right back on Family Comes First.

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ROBERTS-DROGIN: Vincent,

having them on this show, Hedy and Eric

have been through so much and it’s

amazing to hear how much joy and the

purpose in their lives and what Hedy was

saying, You Can’t Call it good, because

then it’s not good. It’s just how you

are. It was remarkable to have them

here. I wish so much more time with

them.

RUSSO: That’s right.
ROBERTS-DROGEN: Ye S.
RUSSO: You know, they’re close

friends of mine. They’re my inspiration.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: I know. Yes.

They’re remarkable people. And then you

meet Joanne and Kenny and you Say, how

can they not be this way?

RUSSO: Yes. I mean, we hear a

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2 they retire. There’s no retirement in

3 their life. They’re not going to retire

from life.

5 MS, ROBERTS-DROGIN: YeS.

6 MR. RUSSO: They’ve been

7 volunteering which they’ve been doing for

8 over fifty years, besides raising their

9 own family and doing the good that they

1 O do in the community. It’s just

11 remarkable.

:ཅས་ 12 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: And just two

13 things struck me. One, is how early they

14 started with their own children. Hedy

15 said that the kids were nine and eleven

16 when they brought them in to volunteer.

17 MR. RUSSO: Ye S.

18 MS. ROBERTS – DIRIOGINI: And then a

19 lifetime of giving. Now, you know, Eric

2O is ninety this year. I think he turned

21 ninety, right?

22 MR. RUSSO: Ye S. YeS.

23 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: And they’re

, 24 still giving of their time in a way

25 that’s so impactful for this population,

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2 MR. RUSSO: Meaningful.

3 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Meaningful.

You know, how do you parent? How do you

5 work through anger? And to have someone

6 – – – you know, when Eric was Speaking to

7 us about how he came Out of the Camps

8 with anger, and had to Work through it

9 and let it go, and to be able to share

1 O that message with the people that they’re

11 working with now in the prisons, it’S SO

12 valuable to be able to give.

13 MR. RUSSO: So well said by you.

14 Really right on target and – – –

15 MS. ROBERTS – DIRIOGIN : Inspiring.

16 MR. RUSSO: Yes. And let’s get

17 Father Tony in here, because – – –

18 MS , ROBERTS – DROGIN : YeS.

19 MR. RUSSO : – – – I can’t wait to

2O hear your remarks. I just – – –

21 FR. STANGANELLI : I my goodness . I

22 personally feel like I’ve just been on

23 retreat watching these segments and I

… , 24 have to thank you both, Vincent,

25 Victoria, for bringing the Pages back,

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and speaking on behalf of Our viewing

audience, to realize that I’m Sure if

that has impacted me, there are SO many

people who have watched the show today

and can’t wait to, perhaps, have them

back on again. Just to be spiritually

renewed by the message of hope, the

message of making choices towards moving

past anger and rage to seeing life as a

gift and wanting to give that gift to

others.

Now, how many times, I know from

the Pope I’ve preached to say that God

doesn’t want us just to be survivors, but

to have abundant life, the abundant life

he wants us to have, and so not define

the Pages, not defined as Survivors Of

the Holocaust. They’ve embraced life.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: They created

their lives.

EFR . STANGANEL : YeS .

ROBERTS-DROGIN: That S the

most inspiring thing.

RUSSO: That’s right.
ROBERTS-DROGIN: That they – –

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– we were talking about Victor Frankel, and

the purpose that you can define in your

own life is really what we have as human

beings and they live it; humbled and

inspired.

STANGANELLI : Exactly. And you

know, in realizing that, that ‘S what God

wants for everybody. God doesn’t want us

just to survive or certainly doesn’t want

us to be imprisoned in Our Own rage and

rage itself is a prison in its OWn.

making, but he wants so much more for us.

And, so when we make those choices,

we’re able to break out of those prisons.

There is God, cheering us on, as I’m sure

God has cheered the Pages and is taking

great delight in them.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: You know, it’s

so interesting that you say that, because

there are prisons that you are put in,

and then there are prisons that you

create yourself.

FR . STANGANELLI : Exactly.

ROBERTS-DROGIN: And listening

to what you just Said , it OC Curs to me

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1 that you know, there are many ways to break

2 out of prison and that’s the power that

3 we have. I never thought about it that

way, but –

5 MR. RUSSO: Yes. We need more

6 time.

7 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: We need mOre

8 time.

9 MR. RUSSO: We need more time.

1 O MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Thank you for

11 that insight.

12 MR. RUSSO: Yes, thank you. Thank

13 you for that insight.

14 MS ROBERTS-DROGIN: YeS .

15 MR. RUSSO: So I’m going to start

16 with this conclusion which is that for

17 me, it’s thank God for Hedy and Eric Page

18 and their children and all that they do.

19 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: Ye S.

2O MR. RUSSO: And just the positive

21 influence that they have on everyone they

22 touch. It’s just, it’s really a gift. A

23 true trea SUL-re .

24 MS. ROBERTS-DROGIN: And to have

25 been able to have spent this time with

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them.

And Joanne’s Work at the Fortune

Society which counsels in prisons and

teaches the skills needed to succeed. Once

people are Out, is all So invaluable, and

you can find more information on that at

their website, which is

FortuneSociety. Org, and as always, you

can visit Vincent’s law firm’s website at

VURussolaw.com to see the earlier show

with Hedy and Eric. This is the follow

up and that was the Original show.

RUSSO: That’s right.

Wonderful.

Thanks to all our viewers for

joining us, and remember, family truly

does come first.

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